{"id":866,"date":"2021-01-11T23:08:24","date_gmt":"2021-01-12T04:08:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/abudinen.com\/blog\/?p=866"},"modified":"2021-04-11T11:48:06","modified_gmt":"2021-04-11T16:48:06","slug":"the-septuagint-vs-masorectic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/abudinen.com\/blog\/2021\/01\/11\/the-septuagint-vs-masorectic\/","title":{"rendered":"The septuagint vs masorectic"},"content":{"rendered":"\nThis is a debate that has recurred throughout church history, and each side can point to some excellent scholars who supported their view.\n\n\n\nDisciples of Jesus used Greek and Hebrew to preach. Their primary language was hebrew but to gentiles they used greek. Leer Uso Jes\u00fas la septuaginta?\n\n\n\nThe lxx contents the right translation of the mt\n\n\n\nTo investigate: Some-one tampered with or mistranslated Josephus. There are several places where an obvious one is made into two as here the one hundred into the inflated two hundred.The original Septuagint agreed here with the Masoretic. So a revised revisionist Septuagint followed the doctored\/mistranslated Josephus.reference the YeC Moshe Emes series for Torah and science alignment volume III \u2018Torah Discovery Chronology\u2019 for the alignment of Torah and ancient civ.\n\n\n\nCodex Vaticanus\n\n\n\nTo investigate: The numbers are found in the Codex Vaticanus manuscript. I discovered this when I realized that the Septuagint is nothing more than a compilation of Codices Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, and Sinaiticus. I’ve discovered this through the use of my Brenton’s Septuagint, which was constructed from mainly Codex Vaticanus and contained footnotes when it differed from Alexandrinus. A footnote stated that Alexandrinus has different numbers, so it can only be Vaticanus that contains the numbers that I asked about.\n\n\n\nLimitations of the Septuagint\n\n\n\nThe Orthodox Church argues that the Septuagint is more accurate than the Hebrew Bible and sho[...x]<\/span>
uld be used in Bible translation. However, it is good to be aware of some of the Septuagint’s limitations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Septuagint of Job is about a sixth shorter than the traditional Hebrew text of the Bible known as the Masoretic Text. The missing portions were supplied from the Greek version of Theodotion. The Septuagint of Jeremiah is about an eighth shorter than the Masoretic Text, repeated passages are cut out and the order is changed. Furthermore, the Septuagint often preserves different numbers, e.g. the ages of some of the patriarchs in Genesis are given variously, thus:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reference<\/strong><\/td>Person’s age<\/strong><\/td>Masoretic Text<\/strong><\/td>Septuagint<\/strong><\/td><\/tr>
5:3<\/td>Adam’s age at birth of Seth<\/td>130<\/td>230<\/td><\/tr>
5:6<\/td>Seth’s age at birth of Enosh<\/td>105<\/td>205<\/td><\/tr>
5:28<\/td>Lamech’s age at birth of Noah<\/td>182<\/td>188<\/td><\/tr>
5:31<\/td>Age of Lamech<\/td>777<\/td>753<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

So, perhaps for all the plaudits the Septuagint supposedly received from Ptolemy II, it should come as no great surprise that the Septuagint did not receive a universally favorable reception among the Jews: ‘That day was as ominous for Israel as the day on which the golden calf was made since the Law could not be accurately translated’ (Mesechet Sopherim [Tractate for Scribes] 1.7).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jesus about hebrew interpretation<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Desde el hebreo la cosa cambia, por que solo lees e interpretas segun la tradicion de tu escuela.
Por eso Yeshua les preguntaba, como Lees?
Osea, como vocalizas lo que esta escrito solo con consonantes y segun esa vocalizacion, tu interpretacion y aplicacion se veian. De ahi venian cosas acertadas o incorrectas. Ejemplo: y mi siervo David sera rey sobre ellos Eternamente. Pero se puede puntear: y mi siervo Dod (el Amado -haciendo referencia a Yeshua-) sera rey sobre ellos Eternamente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mt<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

The Talmud and Karaite manuscripts[8]<\/sup> state that a standard copy of the Hebrew Bible was kept in the court of the Temple in Jerusalem for the benefit of copyists; there were paid correctors of Biblical books among the officers of the Temple (Talmud, tractate Ketubot 106a).[9]<\/sup> This copy is mentioned in the Letter of Aristeas<\/em> (\u00a7 30; comp. Blau, Studien zum Althebr. Buchwesen<\/em>, p. 100), in the statements of Philo (preamble to his “Analysis of the Political Constitution of the Jews”), and in Josephus (Contra Ap.<\/em> i. 8).[8][9]<\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dead Sea scrolls<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

These range from small fragments to a complete scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther and Nehemiah. They show that the books of the Jewish Bible were known and treated as sacred writings before the time of Jesus, with essentially the same content.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There are authentic and fake fragments at Washington museum <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Exodus<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

The Alexandrine Septuagint is the most reliable. It gives the birth of Adam as 5404 BC. The Flood is 3142 BC. The birth of Abraham in Urfa is 2142 BC. Exodus is 1453 BC. The Temple is started in 973 BC. It is destroyed in 586 BC. These dates are in alignment with both Egyptian and Sumerian chronologies, if you accept that Menes = Mizraim (as Manetho said) and that the Predynastic period of Sumerian hostory is an archaeological fantasy. Then Ham (son of Noah) is Sargon the Great (son of Ziusudra). The Shemsu Hor (followers of Horus) are the followers of Ham, and his son Mizraim (Menes) who invaded Egypt by dragging their ships overland from the Red Sea, refloating them at Kontos, and defeating the native Egyptians, and thus founding the first dynasty (Menes). Every archaeologist notices the distinctive Sumerian architecture at Abydos, burial place of the First Dynasty, but does not follow that clue to the origin of that dynasty in Sumer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There is no doubt that the ages of the Patriarchs were altered, and we can pin down the era it was done in. Josephus starts writing his second book about 90 AD, and the lengths of his Patriarchs’ lives agree with the Septuagint (except for Lamech, where he inexplicably makes an error of 6 years. Since we have no original manuscript, only later copies in Latin, this error could have been introduced by the translator.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

After Josephus’ time, the Patriarchs’ length of life is altered. The latest date for this alteration is the end of the rebellion of Bar Kochvah 132 – 135 AD. This entire period is under the religious control of rabbi Akiva, and it is to him that the alterations must be attributed. The reason for the changes is simple: competition from the growing Christian sect, who were using the Torah and other texts to argue for the reality of Jesus’ fulfillment of the prohecy for the coming of the messiah. The Book of Adam and Eve was current around this time and it specifically states that God tells Adam that he will send a redeemer after 5500 years. Since Adam was born in 5404 BC (according to the Septuagint (LXX), that makes Bar Kosiba the right age (born about 96 AD). Rabbi Akiva proclaims him the messiah, changes his name to Bar Kochva, and he goes on to lead a massive rebellion against the Romans, which succeeds in throwing them out of the country for nearly 3 years. The Jews rejoice, re-sanctify Jerusalem, print coins with Bar Kochva on them, etc. However the Romans are not so easily defeated, and they return with 7 legions under Severus and proceed to march across the countryside, burning all the towns and killing all the inhabitants, rather than fighting the potent Messianic army head-on. This tactic succeeds, and the Jews are defeated again, Jerusalem is razed again and the majority of surviving Jews expelled from Judea. Thus begins the Diaspora.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Trying to pull things back together, Rabbi Akiva and his surviving rabbinic group make the determination to prevent the use of the Torah to proclaim another messiah, and they do this by altering the recorded lengths of the lives of the Patriarchs. Therefore, there is no 5500 years to Bar Kochva anymore, and in fact, it will be hundreds of years before the messiah can come.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The result of this rabbinical fudging unintentionally screwed up the acceptance of the Old Testament as a reliable source of chronology once archaeology got going 1800 years later. With the shortened masoretic chronology, the Exodus and occupation of Canaan take place 200 years too late. There is a paucity of archaological finds for the dating that the masoretic chronology produces. Therefore the scientists have said : “It was all a tribal fable”. Even Jewish rabbis have been sucked into this false attitude, since they accept the masoretic text as inviolable. It is a fatal error.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If we go back to the Septuagint (LXX), which was sanctioned by the hierarchy in Jerusalem at the time it was translated (280 BC), and use the datings given there for the lives of the Patriarchs, suddenly everything falls into place. Not only is the Exodus in the correct Egyptian Dynasty (18th), but the entrance of the Israelites into Canaan is now in 1413 BC, which agrees with the radiocarbon dating of a burnt plank from Jericho that registered at 1410 BC.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sumerian and Egyptian chronology can now be synced to Hebrew history, and we can even discover the exact date of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (2040 BC), in the reign of Hammurabi of Babylon. This is a revolution in achaeology. And it also means a re-evaluation of the veracity of the OT.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Exodus dates<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

The date of the Biblical exodus-conquest is clear. 1 Kgs 6:1 and 1 Chr 6:33\u201337 converge on a date of 1446 BC for the exodus and the Jubilees data and Judg 11:26 independently converge on a date of 1406 BC for the beginning of the conquest. The 1406 BC date is further confirmed by archaeological data from Jericho, Ai (Kh. el-Maqatir) and Hazor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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